I just love Russian humour. During the darkest Stalin years, the jokes about him were legendary. And now it's Putin's turn:

Putin, after 10 days of Kursk catastrophe, summons Stalin's ghost:

Stalin: "What's happened?"
Putin: "Nazis are at Kursk! My army is beaten! What should I do?"
Stalin: "Do like me in 1943. Send the best Ukrainian troops to the front, and ask the US for arms!"


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Hello Björn,

I just love Russian humour.

So do I. Especially when told by Robin Williams.
But he's not around any more.

During the darkest Stalin years, the jokes about him were legendary. And now
it's Putin's turn:

Putin, after 10 days of Kursk catastrophe, summons Stalin's ghost:

Stalin: "What's happened?"
Putin: "Nazis are at Kursk! My army is beaten! What should I do?"
Stalin: "Do like me in 1943. Send the best Ukrainian troops to the front, and ask the US for arms!"

Very funny. But what is the reality? Is Russia really any different
than the USA or other so-called democracies? Why did Hitler and his
National Socialists have so much success in Germany, his Third Reich encompassing most of Europe, and beyond?

FDR and Stalin were friends. They got along fine, even during times
of war. What else could poor Winston Churchill do but go along?

But that was another time, and another place. Yalta. In Ukraine.
A beautiful sight. The three of them. Concocting a plan. That actually
worked. Even after FDR was poisoned at Warm Springs and was not able
to finish the job.

Anyway, fast forward to the future. Where we are today.
Here is what political scientist Barbara F. Walker, of the
University of California at San Diego, had to say on the
matter -

"The US used to be considered a full democracy like Norway,
Switzerland, or Iceland, and it's now considered a partial
democracy like Ecuador, Somalia, or Haiti."

As such, I ask you this one question -

What makes you think the USA is any different than Russia?

You think the USA is a democracy and Russia is not?
Donald Trump won the popular vote in 2,588 counties in the USA.
Joe Biden won the popular vote in 551 counties in the USA.
And we are to believe that Joe Biden received 7 million more
popular votes than Donald Trump in the 2020 presidential
election?

It didn't happen.

Donald Trump filed suit in a vain attempt to stop the steal.
The courts rejected his every attempt, Trump batting 0-60.

On January 6, 2021 Donald Trump led an insurrection, with his
legion of MAGA followers storming the Capitol Building. Well over
1,500 of them have been charged with various crimes. Some 900 of
them have plead guilty. How many more committed crimes but had
not been caught is unknown.

And in just over two months, the USA will have a woman president.
A woman who never won a single primary to get on the ballot.

This is our version of democracy.

For Life,
Lee

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Lee Lofaso -> Björn Felten skrev 2024-08-17 02:25:

A woman who never won a single primary to get on the ballot.

Primaries are entirely internal procedures within some US parties.

Suppose the party already agrees to a successor, such as picking the vice that in almost all contexts will be the obvious choice (unlike what the MAGA idiots insist).

In that case, no rule says they must have a primary.


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Hello Björn,

A woman who never won a single primary to get on the ballot.

Primaries are entirely internal procedures within some US parties.

For the first time in US history, a candidate was installed
in that position (nominee of a major political party) without
winning primaries. Even LBJ managed to win one primary before
dropping out. And RFK got himself bumped off by a Palestinian
before he could grab it. So what does that tell you?

Suppose the party already agrees to a successor, such as picking the vice that in almost all contexts will be the obvious choice (unlike what the MAGA idiots insist).

Lemme see if I got this right. No open convention. 14+ million
primary votes for Joe Biden thrown into the dumpster. I got news
for you. It was not "Biden-Harris" on the ballot. It was Biden.

So what makes you think "the party already agrees to a successor"?
What makes you think the party was involved in "picking the vice"
that (according to you) "in almost all contexts will be the obvious
choice"?

Suppose, just suppose Republicans had convinced Donald Trump
to drop out and installed J.D. Vance as their guy? And then
brought in Nikki Haley as vice president? The MAGA crowd would
have gone nuts! And so would Indians from around the world!

In that case, no rule says they must have a primary.

Kamala Harris was the first candidate to drop out.
J.D. Vance never bothered to enter.

For Life,
Lee

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Lee Lofaso -> Björn Felten skrev 2024-08-17 22:55:

Primaries are entirely internal procedures within some US parties.

For the first time in US history, a candidate was installed
in that position (nominee of a major political party) without
winning primaries.

Down boy, down!

There is this thing called the constitution in every democratic society in the world. The following is very important because almost nobody seems to know this!

This is the law for the government, and only the government, which regulates what laws (for the people) it is allowed to pass.

If it's not detailed in the constitution, it's illegal (unconstitutional).

On the other hand, the laws lawmakers pass are those that the people must follow.

If it's not detailed in common law, go ahead. Everything not in there is totally legal!

So, with that in mind, do you now understand why this primary crap is totally bogus MAGA shit about the legitimacy of Harris' appointment?


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Hi, Bj?rn Felten!
I read your message from 15.08.2024 21:57

BF> I just love Russian humour. During the darkest Stalin years,
BF> the jokes about him were legendary. And now it's Putin's turn:
BF> Putin, after 10 days of Kursk catastrophe, summons Stalin's
BF> ghost: Stalin: "What's happened?" Putin: "Nazis are at Kursk!
BF> My army is beaten! What should I do?" Stalin: "Do like me in
BF> 1943. Send the best Ukrainian troops to the front, and ask the
BF> US for arms!"

IMHO, this Ukraine invasion in Kursk region is politically profitable
for Putin. And in addition, Ukraine having extended the front line will
really suffer after Putin sends his troops to Kursk region. However
maybe, the current situation is more profitable as it is. It justifies a
lot of things in this war.

Looks like the Palestinian invasion in Israel -- Israelis pretended to
be taken by surprise, ;-) but they wanted to be looked like that.

Bye, Bj?rn!
Alexander Koryagin
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x) Sunday Aug 18, 2024, 15:58. alexander koryagin ── Bj?rn Felten.

I just love Russian humour. During the darkest Stalin years,
the jokes about him were legendary. And now it's Putin's turn:
Putin, after 10 days of Kursk catastrophe, summons Stalin's
ghost: Stalin: "What's happened?" Putin: "Nazis are at Kursk!
My army is beaten! What should I do?" Stalin: "Do like me in
1943. Send the best Ukrainian troops to the front, and ask the
US for arms!"

IMHO, this Ukraine invasion in Kursk region is politically profitable
for Putin. And in addition, Ukraine having extended the front line will really suffer after Putin sends his troops to Kursk region. However
maybe, the current situation is more profitable as it is. It justifies a lot of things in this war.

No. Because civilians are not targeted, and there will be more russian conscripts to exchange (the main target of this invasion, I guess).

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Hi, Alex Shuman!
I read your message from 21.08.2024 17:57


BF>>> I just love Russian humour. During the darkest Stalin years, the
BF>>> jokes about him were legendary. And now it's Putin's turn: Putin,
BF>>> after 10 days of Kursk catastrophe, summons Stalin's ghost:
BF>>> Stalin: "What's happened?" Putin: "Nazis are at Kursk! My army is
BF>>> beaten! What should I do?" Stalin: "Do like me in 1943. Send the
BF>>> best Ukrainian troops to the front, and ask the US for arms!"
ak>> IMHO, this Ukraine invasion in Kursk region is politically
ak>> profitable for Putin. And in addition, Ukraine having extended the
ak>> front line will really suffer after Putin sends his troops to
ak>> Kursk region. However maybe, the current situation is more
ak>> profitable as it is. It justifies a lot of things in this war.

AS> No. Because civilians are not targeted, and there will be more
AS> russian conscripts to exchange (the main target of this invasion, I
AS> guess).

To lost thousands of troops for exchanging hundreds? ;-) It's a dubious
idea. I think the matter is more simple.

CIA has correctly told the Ukraine army a good news that there were no
Russian troops in the Kursk region villages and the invasion will be as
a defile at first stage. But CIA has not told a bad news -- the invaded
group will not have a strong-build defensive fortifications, good air
defence etc when Russian troops arrive at last. Soon the situation will
look like a hand put into a bear's den.

Bye, Alex!
Alexander Koryagin
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Hello, alexander!

Sunday August 18 2024 15:58, you wrote to Bj?rn Felten:

IMHO, this Ukraine invasion in Kursk region is politically profitable
for Putin. And in addition, Ukraine having extended the front line

Just go and lick his old ass :) You seem to adore this idiot very much :)

will really suffer after Putin sends his troops to Kursk region.

We have about 120 000 Russian citizens dead because of this war and no one in Russia cares about them.

Forgotten loosers - that's what people are thinking.


Best regards,
dp.

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Hello, alexander!

Thursday August 22 2024 08:51, you wrote to Alex Shuman:

To lost thousands of troops for exchanging hundreds? ;-) It's a
dubious idea. I think the matter is more simple.

Yeah, having a guy who can't even elect his own local municipal deputy explain Putin's stupid decisions and failures is just hilarious :)

CIA has correctly told the Ukraine army a good news that there were no

Your sources in CIA told you that? :)))) Or some idiot from Kremlin? :)

situation will look like a hand put into a bear's den.

The situation looks like someone pissed their pants and is now trying to explain that "it was a very clever decision" :)
Russian border was left unprotected and someone stole the billions meant for border defense.

Just check our own border with NATO countries - it's empty :) Everyone was sent to Ukraine. I saw it myself, BTW, in Pskov region.

Best regards,
dp.

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x) Thursday Aug 22, 2024, 08:51. alexander koryagin ── Alex Shuman.

I just love Russian humour. During the darkest Stalin years, the
jokes about him were legendary. And now it's Putin's turn: Putin,
after 10 days of Kursk catastrophe, summons Stalin's ghost:
Stalin: "What's happened?" Putin: "Nazis are at Kursk! My army is
beaten! What should I do?" Stalin: "Do like me in 1943. Send the
best Ukrainian troops to the front, and ask the US for arms!"

IMHO, this Ukraine invasion in Kursk region is politically
profitable for Putin. And in addition, Ukraine having extended the
front line will really suffer after Putin sends his troops to
Kursk region. However maybe, the current situation is more
profitable as it is. It justifies a lot of things in this war.

No. Because civilians are not targeted, and there will be more
russian conscripts to exchange (the main target of this invasion, I
guess).

To lost thousands of troops for exchanging hundreds? ;-) It's a dubious idea. I think the matter is more simple.

Doubt it. The "invasion force" is not so big. And if russian troops will leave occuppied Ukrainian territory to protect the regime...

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Hi, Alex Shuman!
I read your message from 24.08.2024 03:57

ak>>>> IMHO, this Ukraine invasion in Kursk region is politically
ak>>>> profitable for Putin. And in addition, Ukraine having extended
ak>>>> the front line will really suffer after Putin sends his troops
ak>>>> to Kursk region. However maybe, the current situation is more
ak>>>> profitable as it is. It justifies a lot of things in this war.
AS>>> No. Because civilians are not targeted, and there will be more
AS>>> russian conscripts to exchange (the main target of this invasion,
AS>>> I guess).
ak>> To lose thousands of troops for exchanging hundreds? ;-) It's a
ak>> dubious idea. I think the matter is more simple.
AS> Doubt it. The "invasion force" is not so big. And if russian troops
AS> will leave occuppied Ukrainian territory to protect the regime...

This "invasion" resembles me the way the Russian troops entered in
Ukraine in February 2022. The Ukraine troops didn't expected it, were
not prepared etc. And the invasion rather looked like a crazy fashion
defile with tanks instead of girls. They defiled in this way almost to
Kiev. ;-) Have you understood my hint? ;)

Bye, Alex!
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This "invasion" resembles me the way the Russian troops entered in
Ukraine in February 2022.

Not at all. The Russian invasion was poorly planned and even worse executed.

Bad intelligence about the adversary, impossible lengthy but thin supply lines where e.g. fuel-supply trucks needed to be fuelled themselves at least twice before reaching the units that needed it ... a crucial mistake and only that in itself meant catastrophy ... someting entirely different than a cat-ass trophy.

And the invasion rather looked like a crazy fashion
defile with tanks instead of girls. They defiled in this way almost to Kiev.

Yes, the Russians even had their parade uniforms with them to march into Kiev.

Then something happened...

Russia simply is not equipped for a land-based war against an adversary willing to fight. The only advantage they have are the numbers, another hundred thousand killed more or less doesn't matter. There're enough where that came from.

Same tactic as WW2 ... the law of numbers ...

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Hi, Ward Dossche!
I read your message from 24.08.2024 20:30

ak>> This "invasion" resembles me the way the Russian troops entered in
ak>> Ukraine in February 2022.

WD> Not at all. The Russian invasion was poorly planned and even worse
WD> executed.

Russian generals and Putin didn't plan to fight at all. They had an
illusion that Ukraine army would support them in dismissing those who
came to power in 2014. They didn't take into account, however, that
military men are like a dog - it follows orders. ;-)

Bye, Ward!
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Russian generals and Putin didn't plan to fight at all. They had an illusion that Ukraine army would support them in dismissing those who
came to power in 2014.

You know something? I'm agreeing with you ... it was the first mistake ... I mean by the Russian military.

So here we are now in the 3rd year of a conflict which Ukraine cannot win and Russia cannot lose. Which doesn't mean Ukraine is losing and Russia is winning...

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Ward Dossche wrote to alexander koryagin <=-

So here we are now in the 3rd year of a conflict which Ukraine cannot
win and Russia cannot lose. Which doesn't mean Ukraine is losing and Russia is winning...

A stalemate only has to last as long as the aggressor has a stomach for
it - just ask the Afghanis in the '80s.



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Hi, Ward Dossche!
I read your message from 26.08.2024 12:21

ak>> Russian generals and Putin didn't plan to fight at all. They had
ak>> an illusion that Ukraine army would support them in dismissing
ak>> those who came to power in 2014.

WD> You know something? I'm agreeing with you... it was the first
WD> mistake... I mean by the Russian military.

Do you know, to make a boat rocked and overturned it's necessary to have
two foolish fighters in it. One beats the other and the other beats the
one. Russian military hoped for quick result and wide support within
Ukraine; Ukrainian nationalists has been inclined to fight until the end without concessions, and the bowels wind made their main brains to
believe that NATO will fight on their side. Not Ukrainians to be
military puppets for NATO in fighting with Russia under the encouraging
shouts from the European viewing stand.

It was a mistake from Russian side, but there it doesn't mean that there
were not any ways to avoid the war in Ukraine. It is true that an
agreement had been almost reached in Istanbul in the 2022 spring but
Boris Johnson had made all he could to persuade Zelensky to fight. It
was also his mistake, in his arrogance towards Russia and viewing the situation inadequately (although he could not think in other way). In
short, people who wanted this war were more numerous than those who
wanted to prevent it.

WD> So here we are now in the 3rd year of a conflict which Ukraine
WD> cannot win and Russia cannot lose. Which doesn't mean Ukraine is
WD> losing and Russia is winning...

Looking at the mistakes taken, people must understand a simple thing -
those easy bloodless solutions that were before the current bloodshed
are not available now. If you squeezed out tooth paste from the tube you cannot put it back. And every bad decision on both sides have its price
which must be paid.

When an operating system is ruined you can restore it with a saved
backup. It cannot be applied to Ukraine of course, but people now must
clearly to see and understand the real point of the crash in 2014. And
they will see a real picture -- the Ukraine divided in two
irreconcilable parts. So the only viable solution is to separate these
two parts and make peace. It has been done in Yugoslavia, it can be done
in Ukraine.

If the USA and NATO would had started to arm Croats and Muslims against
Serbs in Yugoslavia that war would not have ended. But understanding
that Yugoslavia cannot be saved as it was helped to make peace.

Bye, Ward!
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Hello, alexander!

Saturday August 24 2024 17:16, you wrote to Alex Shuman:

This "invasion" resembles me the way the Russian troops entered in
Ukraine in February 2022. The Ukraine troops didn't expected it, were

And you're such a coward and a traitor to Russia's interests that you didn't go to the front but continued drinking cheap vodka in a city where Moscow even banned elections because the residents are idiots and would elect a monkey as mayor if they were allowed to :)

Best regards,
dp.

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Hello, alexander!

Wednesday August 28 2024 11:00, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

beats the one. Russian military hoped for quick result and wide
support within Ukraine; Ukrainian nationalists has been inclined to

You don't know anything about what the Russian military was actually thinking. It's only your fantasies.

Ukrainians to be military puppets for NATO in fighting with Russia
under the encouraging shouts from the European viewing stand.

"Puppets" is a strong word from a man who has no right to vote for his own city mayor because his masters in Moscow decided so :)

there were not any ways to avoid the war in Ukraine. It is true that

No, it's also your fantasies. Russia sent our very famous clown, Minister Medinsky, for negotiations. He is well-known for writing fake history books and for stupid phrases like "Russians got an additional chromosome".

Clowns cannot make any decisions, they are just for show.

You're once again presenting rumors, fabrications, and propaganda as reality. This might work for those who are not well-versed in Russian domestic politics, but for a Russian, your texts come across as some kind of "fake news".

And they will see a real picture -- the Ukraine divided in two
irreconcilable parts. So the only viable solution is to separate
these two parts and make peace. It has been done in Yugoslavia, it can
be done in Ukraine.

Which parts? Russia announced that Kherson is a Russian city and that you'll be jailed if you publicly say it's still Ukrainian. But Russia has no troops there.

It's just some kind of delusional dream straight from Putin's rotten brain.

If the USA and NATO would had started to arm Croats and Muslims
against Serbs in Yugoslavia that war would not have ended. But

The USSR is long gone, Ukraine is an independent state and Putin even promised to respect Ukraine's borders. You're just providing the wrong examples for comparison.

understanding that Yugoslavia cannot be saved as it was helped to make peace.

Milosevich destroyed Yugoslavia when he decided to strip Kosovo of its autonomous status and began to talk about Serbia as the main part of Yugoslavia. This was long before the war.

Best regards,
dp.

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Hello Alexander,

Russian generals and Putin didn't plan to fight at all. They had
an illusion that Ukraine army would support them in dismissing
those who came to power in 2014.

You know something? I'm agreeing with you... it was the first
mistake... I mean by the Russian military.

Do you know, to make a boat rocked and overturned it's necessary to have two
foolish fighters in it. One beats the other and the other beats the one.

Cajuns know better, and always make room for alligator in pirogue.
And also keep paddle in hand in case of emergency.

Russian military hoped for quick result and wide support within
Ukraine;

Russian military got quick result. Just not the result expected.
And the wide support within Ukraine was enormous.

Ukrainian nationalists has been inclined to fight until the end
without concessions, and the bowels wind made their main brains to
believe that NATO will fight on their side.

Cajuns were here before there was a USA. What gave France, and
Spain, and the USA the right to invade our land and make it their
own?

Ukraine is an independent and sovereign state. It is recognized
by the international community as such. The same as the USA.
So what gives Russia, or China, or India, or any other country,
the right to invade their land and make it their own?

Not Ukrainians to be military puppets for NATO in fighting with Russia under
the encouraging shouts from the European viewing stand.

Ukraine is not a member state of NATO. 32 other countries are.
But not Ukraine. But I do like the idea. In fact, Sweden liked
it so much that it has signed up. And so did Finland, which
used to be a part of the USSR at one time.

Good gosh, wouldn't that be the day when Russia joins the club?

It was a mistake from Russian side, but there it doesn't mean that there were not any ways to avoid the war in Ukraine.

The easiest, and best way, was never to have crossed the line.
Had the border been honored and respected, all would have been
peaceful and no war would ever have taken place.

It is true that an agreement had been almost reached in Istanbul in the 2022
spring but Boris Johnson had made all he could to persuade Zelensky to fight.

Vladimir Putin never raised any objection to Ukraine's status
as an independent and sovereign state - until he decided to invade
Ukraine (first in 2014 and later in 2022).

As such, Putin can never be trusted as a man of his word. He says
whatever is convenient, with hopes to get what he wants.

It was also his mistake, in his arrogance towards Russia and viewing the situation inadequately (although he could not think in other way).

Johnson was more show than substance. A Winston Churchill wannabe.

In short, people who wanted this war were more numerous than those who wanted to prevent it.

The graveyards are filling up in Russia. And the widows are growing
much more numerous. How much longer will it take for the inevitable
to happen?

So here we are now in the 3rd year of a conflict which Ukraine
cannot win and Russia cannot lose. Which doesn't mean Ukraine is
losing and Russia is winning...

Looking at the mistakes taken, people must understand a simple thing - those easy bloodless solutions that were before the current bloodshed
are not available now. If you squeezed out tooth paste from the tube you cannot put it back. And every bad decision on both sides have its price which must be paid.

Putin is like a gorilla with its hand stuck into a hole in the
ground trying to hold on to a coconut. He can't let it go even while
it is being captured and put into a cage.

The same could be said about the other gorilla. But since Putin was
the first gorilla to stick its hand in the hole in the ground it is
all Putin's fault.

If only a peaceful solution could be found. For all sides.
A peaceful solution, with justice for all.

When an operating system is ruined you can restore it with a saved
backup. It cannot be applied to Ukraine of course, but people now must clearly to see and understand the real point of the crash in 2014.

Russia invaded Crimea (a part of Ukraine) in 2014. This was phase
one of a planned full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

And they will see a real picture -- the Ukraine divided in two irreconcilable parts.

The international community recognizes one united Ukraine, which
includes the region of Crimea, as well as all other regions.

So the only viable solution is to separate these two parts and make peace.

Real solution: Russian military leaves all areas of Ukraine.

It has been done in Yugoslavia, it can be done in Ukraine.

Ukraine is not what was formerly Yugoslavia.

Ukraine is not a collection of different countries.
Ukraine is not part one country and part another country.
Ukraine is not a country that can be taken apart, piece
by piece, by any other country. Ukraine is one country,
one people. Whose people can, and do, speak multiple
languages.

If the USA and NATO would had started to arm Croats and Muslims against Serbs in Yugoslavia that war would not have ended.

You do realize how things turned out.
Kosovans were so happy they built a giant statue of Bill Clinton
for all to see. I have no idea if he has ever visited his likeness.
But I wouldn't doubt it if he has.

NATO just dropped a few bombs to get Serbia to submit.
First time in history no troops were needed to win.

But understanding that Yugoslavia cannot be saved as it was helped to make peace.

Slobo made peace with his maker and was never tried for his crimes.
Djoko is at peace with having just won a gold medal at the Olympics
and is now ready to take on all comers at the US Open ...

For Life,
Lee

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