• Point systems in fsxNet

    From Codefenix@21:4/141 to All on Sunday, September 15, 2024 13:35:49
    Curious whether point systems are allowed in fsxNet. Is this allowed, or is it discouraged? Or is it simply preferably to seek out its own node number?

    Asking because I have a second board I'd like to get connected, and would like to to try my hand at having my main board serve as its uplink.

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Codefenix on Monday, September 16, 2024 10:15:48
    On 15 Sep 2024 at 01:35p, Codefenix pondered and said...

    Curious whether point systems are allowed in fsxNet. Is this allowed, or is it discouraged? Or is it simply preferably to seek out its own node number?

    Asking because I have a second board I'd like to get connected, and
    would like to to try my hand at having my main board serve as its uplink.

    <codeƒenix>


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    yes this is fine :)

    The point systems do not appear in the nodelist so any netmail sent to them will route to your main node number and then it's up to your system to handle the flow of netmail to/from the point as well as any echomail you opt to feed the point system.

    I've pondered perhaps trying to create a list of point systems in fsxNet but have not done this at this time. I guess the overhead (much like with systems.txt) is trying to keep on top of what has been created by sysops and my hunch is trying to keep up a point list may be a bridge to far for effort expended... not 100% sure

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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Codefenix on Sunday, September 15, 2024 18:32:00
    Hello Codefenix!
    Curious whether point systems are allowed in fsxNet...

    No problem here.


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  • From deon@21:2/116 to Codefenix on Monday, September 16, 2024 08:53:56
    Re: Point systems in fsxNet
    By: Codefenix to All on Sun Sep 15 2024 01:35 pm

    Howdy,

    Curious whether point systems are allowed in fsxNet. Is this allowed, or is it discouraged? Or is it simply preferably to seek out its own node number?

    You can run a point, many do already... :)


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  • From deon@21:2/116 to Avon on Monday, September 16, 2024 08:58:39
    Re: Re: Point systems in fsxNet
    By: Avon to Codefenix on Mon Sep 16 2024 10:15 am

    Howdy,

    I've pondered perhaps trying to create a list of point systems in fsxNet but have not done this at this time. I guess the overhead (much like with systems.txt) is trying to keep on top of what has been created by sysops and my hunch is trying to keep up a point list may be a bridge to far for effort expended... not 100% sure

    So clrghouz will discover points, when folks with a point send a message. It wont know the sysop or the system name though... Actually, as I think about it, it wont know when they leave the network either - but that could be determine by how long ago a last message was seen...

    Here's what's been discovered so far...

    id | host_id | node_id | point_id
    ------+---------+---------+----------
    5731 | 1 | 158 | 1
    5734 | 1 | 159 | 5
    5697 | 1 | 195 | 1
    1034 | 3 | 100 | 1
    5382 | 3 | 110 | 1
    5681 | 3 | 127 | 1
    2837 | 3 | 2744 | 1
    5732 | 4 | 106 | 21


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  • From Mickey@21:1/159.5 to Codefenix on Sunday, September 15, 2024 20:12:38
    On 15 Sep 2024, Codefenix said the following...

    Curious whether point systems are allowed in fsxNet. Is this allowed, or is it discouraged? Or is it simply preferably to seek out its own node number?


    I'd simply be lost without my point.

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    @ Mick's Place
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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to deon on Monday, September 16, 2024 12:29:19
    On 16 Sep 2024 at 08:58a, deon pondered and said...

    So clrghouz will discover points, when folks with a point send a
    message. It wont know the sysop or the system name though... Actually,
    as I think about it, it wont know when they leave the network either -
    but that could be determine by how long ago a last message was seen...

    Here's what's been discovered so far...

    id | host_id | node_id | point_id
    ------+---------+---------+----------
    5731 | 1 | 158 | 1

    Nice :)

    I may need some training from you as to how to pull this data out sometime...

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  • From The Godfather@21:3/165 to Codefenix on Sunday, September 15, 2024 21:05:25
    Asking because I have a second board I'd like to get connected, and
    would like to to try my hand at having my main board serve as its uplink.

    Wait, what? Is it live? Would love to see another Codefenix creation!

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  • From vorlon@21:1/195.1 to Codefenix on Monday, September 16, 2024 20:16:15
    Hi Codefenix,

    Curious whether point systems are allowed in fsxNet. Is this allowed,
    or is it discouraged? Or is it simply preferably to seek out its own
    node number?

    Asking because I have a second board I'd like to get connected, and
    would like to to try my hand at having my main board serve as its
    uplink.

    What a lot of us do is run a main node, and then any aditional system is
    run as a point. It then saves a lot of issues.

    ie:
    1. Taking down the point
    2. If the sysop only wants to test.
    3. Taking Avon's time, but adding or removing nodes.
    4. Testing a different software setup.
    5. Firewall changes...


    \/orlon
    aka
    Stephen

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Avon on Monday, September 16, 2024 06:56:00
    Avon wrote to Codefenix <=-

    I've pondered perhaps trying to create a list of point systems in
    fsxNet but have not done this at this time. I guess the overhead (much like with systems.txt) is trying to keep on top of what has been
    created by sysops

    I've never understood pointlists. Fido zone 2 has a lengthy one, but
    from my understanding, points are meant for BBSes that aren't
    nodelisted or mail only systems, either one relies on the point calling
    the boss node and all routing is to the boss. So, why would a list of
    unreachable points be of any benefit?



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  • From codefenix@21:4/141.1 to Avon on Monday, September 16, 2024 13:46:39
    yes this is fine :)

    The point systems do not appear in the nodelist so any netmail sent to them will route to your main node number and then it's up to your system to handle the flow of netmail to/from the point as well as any echomail you opt to feed the point system.

    Solid, thanks. :)

    Looks like I have things rolling. :D

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  • From codefenix@21:4/141.1 to The Godfather on Monday, September 16, 2024 13:51:24
    Wait, what? Is it live? Would love to see another Codefenix creation!

    Yeah, it's up. Started putzing around with Mystic a couple years ago, just seeing how things worked, and not really sure whether it'd see the light of day.

    So naturally, of course it's up and running now. :D

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  • From Bucko@21:4/131 to Codefenix on Monday, September 16, 2024 18:59:28
    On 16 Sep 2024, vorlon said the following...

    What a lot of us do is run a main node, and then any aditional system is run as a point. It then saves a lot of issues.

    ie:
    1. Taking down the point
    2. If the sysop only wants to test.
    3. Taking Avon's time, but adding or removing nodes.
    4. Testing a different software setup.
    5. Firewall changes...


    This is the best way to go about it, pick your main board which you feel will not be going anywhere and any others make them Points, This board is my main board, it has been running since 2018, I have had a Synchronet, Enigma and C-Net Amiga boards running at different times (The C-net still runs) and they were all points off of this board. Like Vorlon said, it takes away from having to get Avon to add another board to the nodelist and remove it if you take it down..


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  • From deon@21:2/116 to Bucko on Tuesday, September 17, 2024 09:40:56
    Re: Re: Point systems in fsxNet
    By: Bucko to Codefenix on Mon Sep 16 2024 06:59 pm

    Howdy,

    Like Vorlon said, it takes away
    from having to get Avon to add another board to the nodelist and remove it if you take it down..

    So running a point system, and thereby delegating another system as a boss is a task that some may not be able to perform - especially if your BBS/mailer/tosser of choice cannot handle the task.

    So if you are in that position, then you can always get another node or two of off clrghouz. I've built (well still building it), so that it can be as much self service as possible.

    Once you are assigned a node number (which is currently manual, but I'll get around to automating that as well), you can set your own session and subscription details.

    If your system disappears, it'll clean up and remove your details automatically.

    So that's an option if running a point is too hard - or if you want to get another connection to an ftn, incase your hub goes down at an inconvienent time...


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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to poindexter FORTRAN on Monday, September 16, 2024 20:29:00
    Hello pF!

    I've never understood pointlists. Fido zone 2 has a lengthy one, but
    from my understanding, points are meant for BBSes that aren't
    nodelisted or mail only systems, either one relies on the point calling
    the boss node and all routing is to the boss. So, why would a list of
    unreachable points be of any benefit?

    If the editor/reader supports it, it provides the names and
    addresses of point users. Very handy.

    OpenXP accomplishes that feat.

    For example.. just looking for the string "fred" on the Z2PNT
    list:

    ┌──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────
    │ Manfred Lang, MA 2:240/2188.6 -Unpublished-
    │ Manfred Quabius, Pulheim 2:240/2199.106 0431-3292929
    │ Manfred Pegam, Bochum 2:2448/400.4 -Unpublished-
    │ Wilfred van Velzen, Lisse 2:280/464.112 -Unpublished-
    │ Fred Jansen, Nieuw Vennep NL 2:292/854.16 -Unpublished- │─────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────
    │ Status Point Point list Z2PNT.257
    │ Point Kruemel Boks! Outpost P106
    │ Flags
    └─────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────

    What's not to like? ;)




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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to codefenix on Monday, September 16, 2024 20:54:44
    Wait, what? Is it live? Would love to see another Codefenix creatio

    Yeah, it's up. Started putzing around with Mystic a couple years ago,
    just seeing how things worked, and not really sure whether it'd see the light of day.
    telnet://conchaos.synchro.net:2300
    ssh://conchaos.synchro.net:2200

    I'm so flipping stoked that ConChaos is back - you really created a community that WILL grow over time. It's solid and gangster and... I hope you commit the domain for a few years - the people will see; we do.



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Ogg on Tuesday, September 17, 2024 06:54:00
    Ogg wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Hello pF!

    I've never understood pointlists. Fido zone 2 has a lengthy one, but
    from my understanding, points are meant for BBSes that aren't
    nodelisted or mail only systems, either one relies on the point calling
    the boss node and all routing is to the boss. So, why would a list of
    unreachable points be of any benefit?

    If the editor/reader supports it, it provides the names and
    addresses of point users. Very handy.

    Oh, that makes sense.



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  • From Bucko@21:4/131 to deon on Wednesday, September 18, 2024 18:33:35

    On 17 Sep 2024, deon said the following...


    So running a point system, and thereby delegating another system as a
    boss is a task that some may not be able to perform - especially if your BBS/mailer/tosser of choice cannot handle the task.

    So if you are in that position, then you can always get another node or two of off clrghouz. I've built (well still building it), so that it can be as much self service as possible.

    Once you are assigned a node number (which is currently manual, but I'll

    Another great way of getting extra nodes. clrghouz is also a way to get it done.. Especially if as Deon says your software can't handle points..


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Bucko on Thursday, September 19, 2024 07:16:00
    Bucko wrote to deon <=-

    Another great way of getting extra nodes. clrghouz is also a way to get
    it done.. Especially if as Deon says your software can't handle
    points..

    I've been having issues with Synchronet host-routing point mail. There
    should be a way to tell sbbsecho to route any point mail through the
    host, but I can't find it. I mentioned it to Rob, should bring it up
    again.



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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to poindexter FORTRAN on Monday, September 23, 2024 10:56:34
    On 16 Sep 2024 at 06:56a, poindexter FORTRAN pondered and said...

    I've never understood pointlists. Fido zone 2 has a lengthy one, but
    from my understanding, points are meant for BBSes that aren't
    nodelisted or mail only systems, either one relies on the point calling
    the boss node and all routing is to the boss. So, why would a list of
    unreachable points be of any benefit?

    Good erm point ;)

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to codefenix on Monday, September 23, 2024 10:56:59
    On 16 Sep 2024 at 01:46p, codefenix pondered and said...

    Solid, thanks. :)

    Looks like I have things rolling. :D

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    No prob, and nice signature BTW :)

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